[HamWAN PSDR] Request for onsite HamWan signal strength test (John Spady)

Mark Weisenfeld mark at weisenfelds.com
Thu Feb 1 10:17:24 PST 2018

 John Spady <jspady at mac.com>
Request for onsite HamWan signal strength test (John Spady)

I'm still getting used to where all these antennas are located. I disagree
with nothing Carl says below, but here are some tools to use on Haystack
and some fun.
Can someone get me coords for Beacon and the ones that are not on
prominent, easy to locate, hilltops?

The 3D view of Google maps shows you have line-of-sight to Haystack.
But http://www.heywhatsthat.com/profiler.html seems to think there is
something immediately in the way. However, it also shows a ridge at 8-9
miles that could be a challenge, and little help from 5.8 Ghz refraction.

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Spady <jspady at mac.com>
> To: psdr at hamwan.org
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> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 19:57:29 -0800
> Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Request for onsite HamWan signal strength test
> Hello folks, I had a person (whose name I can’t recall unfortunately) come
> out to my condo building a short time ago and take signal strength reading
> to various HamWAN sites in the area (gold/beacon/and haystack). But my
> original plans for the antenna location have changed and I really need
> someone with a portable system to visit again and take some readings from a
> new location on my condo roof.
> I live at 2801 1st Ave, in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle.
> I could also use a materials inventory list or an Elmer kind enough to
> stop by and help me figure it up.
> I will compensate for someone’s time if that would help get someone here.
> Thank you.
> John WA7UAR
> 206-465-6963
> Sent from my iPhone ;-)
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Carl <carl at n7kuw.com>
> To: "'Puget Sound Data Ring'" <psdr at hamwan.org>
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> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:29:12 -0800
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Request for onsite HamWan signal strength test
> John,
> If you still have line of sight from the new location, the signal strength
> should be virtually identical to what you had before (given the same type
> of antenna).  The real question is if you will have line of sight to at
> least one of those locations (that's all you want to shoot to).  So,
> standing at your new antenna location, look and see if you can actually see
> (visual) each of those destinations. Of course, clouds and weather may
> prevent you from actually seeing it, but you should be able to look in that
> direction to determine if there is anything blocking.
> As to actual signal strength, that will depend on what antenna you use.
> You have several choices from a 30dbi dish to a 19dbi panel. The higher the
> dbi number, the more gain, hence more signal strength, you will have.
> What type of antenna did the person who came out before use? Was it an
> actual dish (round or oblong), was it a flat panel roughly 12" square, or
> was it a flat panel roughly 4" square?  The smaller should work well for
> Beacon. The larger 12" flat panel should work for Gold and maybe for
> Haystack.  A 30dbi dish will absolutely work for Haystack.
> Attached is a screen capture of Google Earth with bearing lines to each of
> the following from the center of your roof, going clockwise - Haystack,
> Capitol Park, Beacon, Gold.  From where you plan (are able to) mount your
> dish, which of those is the best to use?
> If you got a decent signal from a previous test, I have no doubt you can
> get a good signal from another test.  The real question is exactly where
> will you mount your antenna, what will it be mounted to (how secure), how
> much clearance is there around it, and what (if anything) is in the way of
> one of the paths on the attached screen captures?
> Shooting to Beacon is probably your best option if you have a clear path.
> That is close by, so much stronger signal (and smaller antenna needed),
> plus it has paths to Baldi, Gold and Haystack - so lots of redundancy.
> Shooting to Gold would be my second choice. Shooting to Haystack would be
> my third choice, and shooting to Capitol Park my fourth choice. The last
> two have less reliability than the first two (longer shot to Haystack,
> Capitol Park shoots to Haystack so is just one more thing in the middle of
> going to Haystack).
> For Beacon, the two buildings directly to your south might be the
> obstacles you have to avoid. If you can get past/over them, you should have
> no problem.  One of the small 4" square panels mounted on top of a pole as
> high as you can get it might serve your purpose.
> I'm happy to stop by some day with a 12" and 4" panel to test with. I've
> got a bigger dish, but it is cumbersome and hard to move.  If you'll cover
> the cost of parking, I'll make the trip.
> Carl, N7KUW
Mark Weisenfeld K7TUM

Tumwater, WA

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