[HamWAN PSDR] Facts about ham fundraising

Kenny Richards richark at gmail.com
Sat Oct 5 03:24:04 PDT 2013

The existing recommended dish is pretty heavy, a little camera tripod
probably wouldn't hold it.  You'd need one of those big remote tv crew
style tripods.  Or you do the tv-on-the-roof-Radio-Shack style mount

I'm interested in hearing ideas, since it appears the only way I'm going to
get connected anytime soon is if I'm outing 'rovering' around.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Scott Honaker <scotthon at pilchuckvet.com>wrote:

> Bring on the server.  I'll need to look at the wiring between our server
> room and the HamWAN equipment but we can make it work.  I don't want that
> noisy thing in my equipment room :-)
> I'd like to create a portable system.  I'm thinking a radio, dish, tripod
> and WAP.  Does anyone have a clever dish/tripod mount thing?   I'd like to
> find something that makes it easy to point/aim.
> Thanks,
> Scott N7SS
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Bart Kus <me at bartk.us> wrote:
>>  OK, one thing is loud and clear.  We need mobile signal testing
>> stations.  I will try to spread some extra gear out to anyone in the group
>> who would like to provide a mobile signal survey service to potential
>> users, and has the skills to operate the gear.
>> We'll also try to get pre-configured modems going.  I'd like to sell
>> these @ a slight premium to just the bare hardware, with the profit being a
>> HamWAN donation.
>> The applications will come with time.  We're presently working on getting
>> the server infrastructure in place to run applications in the first place.
>> BTW, Scott, can I co-locate a 1U server @ Paine?  I have it being setup
>> here in my rack right now, but it'd be better to have it @ Paine.  It's an
>> HP DL360 G5.
>> --Bart
>> On 10/3/2013 3:48 PM, Scott Honaker wrote:
>>  I see three issues
>> *1.  Coverage - Will it work for me?*
>> That's coming along nicely but is far from universal.  Some demos at some
>> events could really make a difference.  If we can hook a couple EOCs
>> together, we'll really have something!  I can get introductions into most
>> any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them.
>> Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting.
>> *2.  Ease of installation - How can I play?*
>> The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile
>> radio.  The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie.
>> More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be
>> helpful.  Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios.  I love that idea!
>> Plug it in, point the antenna and play.
>> *3.  Applications - What can I do with it?*
>> Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion.  DRATS has a Telnet mode
>> that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm
>> applications in a single package.  Showing someone another network to run
>> Outlook over isn't particularly compelling.  What if Internet access is
>> lost to your mail server?  Well then you can't run Outlook on any network.
>> We need some native HAMWAN applications.  A "Ratflector" is an easy one,
>> Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else?  I have some
>> server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator.  We
>> can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those
>> services.
>> Scott N7SS
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others...
>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob at quailsoftltd.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > 2)      End-users (individual):  We need to get more of our core
>>> online and
>>> > well versed in the system.  From those early users we need a few in
>>> each
>>> > county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact
>>> with
>>> > other potential end users to get them onboard.  We need to focus on our
>>> > marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more
>>> end-user
>>> > demonstrations – not just the equipment, but from an application
>>> standpoint.
>>>  I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County.
>>> I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will
>>> tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers
>>> everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower
>>> ;-)
>>> > 3)      End-users (EMCOMM):  We need some served agencies online.  We
>>> need
>>> > advocates outside of the ham world.  Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency
>>> > Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station.  If
>>> we have
>>> > 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies
>>> successfully
>>> > hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from.  Even
>>> > then, basic connectivity isn’t.  We need hams in these locations to
>>> > demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done “when all else
>>> fails”
>>> > over HamWAN.  If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to
>>> shell
>>> > out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated
>>> > Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to
>>> > $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure.  Demonstrate
>>> email, web
>>> > access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them – use
>>> > D-RATs for a tactical “chat” interface between locations – who knows?
>>>  Maybe
>>> > interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links
>>> > (D-Star?).
>>>  The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other
>>> EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be
>>> very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone,
>>> etc.).
>>> If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we
>>> can schedule a presentation.
>>> Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them
>>> email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from
>>> network: awesome.
>>> I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate
>>> communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place
>>> completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the
>>> earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the
>>> outage with Internet; communication continues.
>>> Tom KD7LXL
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